You’re being a shitty person right now, I hope one day you can gather the strength to acknowledge it and do better.

No, and I throw that right back at you. Because you’re just supporting terrible stereotypes that further aid in the great divide and ultimately just feed the incel community. It’s like me saying all women are cheaters because that’s basically my experience, but at least I can acknowledge that I’m just an easy target for female predators instead of shoving it onto the gender as a whole. When you say “all men blah blah blah” then it does not matter if you truly mean it or not, you’re still ending up attacking and insulting everyone who is not part of that shit. And what’s the next reaction to it? “Oh don’t be so sensitive / fragile!” - which basically comes back to just being a toxic masculinity comment about men having to be strong and take it without complaining.

Because Arch users would’ve shunned me for asking for support when I don’t use literal Arch.

Yes, women deal with literal serial killers all the time. Touch grass and come back to reality. 🙄

I’m specifically talking about the EOS forum, which was just dicks throwing insults towards me having a support request and the admins consequently closing the thread and hiding it, telling me to make a new one if I still need support.

What about ketamine treatments? Psychedelics?

They’re not legal in most places and where they are you’d still have to find a place that offers them, which would be difficult on its own already.

I highly doubt he tried everything is all I’m saying.

He tried what he could, as does everyone. You just don’t accept his & other peoples capabilities.

He had the responsibility to “cope” for his family.

You’re the good old “you just have to kick yourself in the butt” type of anti-depressant.

I like 90 percent agree with you and disagree on one little thing. You seem to just want to fight with me for slightly disagreeing on his responsibility as a father and husband.

I want you to see your bigotry, that’s all.

Do you seriously think Chester spent his decades since the sexual assault with twirling his thumbs…? Euthanasia is barely a thing globally, only few countries offer it and usually not for people with mental issues, which is exactly my point here. Mental illness is treated like some secondary issue, even though trauma are rarely curable, anti-depressants having a tremendous failure rate and are heavy on side effects, while therapy often only tries to teach you to “cope” with your issues, rather than getting rid of them.

No I think it’s kind of different for physical pain, especially incurable.

Yes, that’s bigotry and the cause for this stigma regarding mental illness.

Chester had all the resources in the world to fight that battle.

So do many cancer patients, but you’d probably not say they’re selfish for losing that battle with their illness either. They’re suicide victims, not suicide perpetrators. That’s also why people call for not calling it “killing yourself”.

I think people with late stage cancer and people who suffer from severe physical pain are a different conversation, entirely.

And that’s why this stigma still exists. Depression is an illness, and suicide is the last stage of succumbing to it. But we can go with other examples as well if you want to. There was this guy a few years ago IIRC who was under chronic pain, due to a rare condition. He was very much fully functional in a sense, just constantly suffering. He was still fairly young, I think in his 30s and tried for a long time to get assisted suicide without success (until he did, IIRC in another country). He had friends and family too, like most people, but he decided a long time ago that life was not worth living under the circumstances he was in. Do you think that is selfish too?

Can you even relate to any of those circumstances at all? Like, suicide is not something even a suicidal person does lightly. It’s a big and difficult step to take - even if you’re completely alone. But to take this step for someone who had a loving family and kids simply means that their suffering was still stronger, it still outweigh whatever brief moments of happiness they could feel, and whatever “responsibility” they had to their family. Speaking of which, you don’t see it that way, as you see yourself as a burden - and to an extend that’s what you are, even if people don’t like to talk about it. But the longer you’re sick, the more people will resent you for it. That’s an unfortunate truth as well that people have to understand. The people around you, are people you ultimately drag down into the abyss with you if you’re not able to get out of it. It’s in most cases just a matter of time, and it’s a crushing matter for someone who’s already down.

There’s a long, documented, researched, history of women being raised to expect things from men too. But if you seriously think this is the average expectation of men towards women, then you should go outside and touch some grass. Just because toxic gender stereotypes exist, does not mean you have to acknowledge every bullshit sexist stereotype as the truth.

What’s the feminized version of a circlejerk? Circlerub? Circlejill? Circlefling?

Can’t recommend EOS. Awful community when something breaks. Definitely not something for people coming from Windows.

Ubuntu’s packet manager Apt was already kind of awful in many ways, especially with its PPA hell. But them adding Snap packages somehow managed to make them reach even new levels of awful.

it is all speculation and cope from entitled fan apologists.

I was raped in Kindergarten but okay.

Tell me, do you also think women are only victims of their abusers once they leave too or is that criticism reserved only for people who are abused on a larger scale by their entire community?

If they help other women getting raped or harass other victims of the rapist then yes, they’re part of the problem. But it’s a bad faith argument anyway, so thanks for proving my point. Just like you calling Scientology a religion instead of a cult. I think that was a wonderful end for this comment chain.

Yes, like the other women that Masterson raped for example. But I’m sticking to what’s relevant to the topic of the article.

But you would also see the Nazis as victims, so I’m checking out at this point. No reason to keep talking to abuser apologists.

598.6 Kilometers (likely rounded up to 600).

I’m aware of Scientology’s tactics. Her blocking the court seats is her being part of those tactics. Just like their goons who harassed one of the victims, or Masterson raping them.

And Masterson wasn’t a “friend”, but a fellow cult member. That’s why she was there, that’s why she blocked the court room to hold any of the victims relatives & friends. She’s literally part of the problem and you people are making excuses for her instead of calling her out. Also, her idiotic “apology” HAD to specifically call out female victims, while part of the criticism is that she replaces a MALE victim.

Honestly no idea what kind of “evidence” you want before you acknowledge the truth.

I don’t blame her for being a victim, I blame her for being an abuser. Cedric and his wife are victims. She is part of the problem.

You’re hitting several fallacies here. First, her being potentially brainwashed is not an excuse. Yeah, that may be how she got there, but that does not mean that is how and who she should be - let alone have her replace Chester of all people.

Secondly, it’s not about her success. No one should ever be in a cult like this, regardless of your fame. I expect the same thing from every other member too. However, in this case we have someone replace a SA victim that is in a cult that literally does the same fucking thing (and worse) to others.

One of the victims of Masterson and her husband, which this is kinda about, were also both members of Scientology. They even got their dogs murdered by them, yet they still fight - and that’s what every member with a sane conscience should do.