• MrJameGumb@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    So this “grand cosmic plan” seems to involve a lot of everyone having to tell god how great he is every day… Sounds like a certain deity has some crippling self confidence issues

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      6 months ago

      The seraphim, the highest order of angels and those closest to God (at least in the Christian interpretation) only exist to tell God how great he is:

      six-winged beings that fly around the Throne of God crying “holy, holy, holy”.

      He’s paying some dudes just to hang around and polish his ego.

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    6 months ago

    The argument of the cosmic plan is the reasons are beyond human understanding

    The child that died slowly and painfully from a horrible disease, died for a reason. God willfully did/allowed it, but for a reason we just are unable to understand. So to a thiest this meme doesn’t make sense.

    Mind you I don’t believe in this stuff but these kind of jabs are just preaching to the athiest choir.

  • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    IF- and this ‘if’ is doing a lot of work here, god exists… then the ‘plan’ is to LARP as the White Knight.

    remember, the whole sin thing started with Adam and Even in the garden. any one who has ever raised kids, or pets more interesting than a yeast starter… knows that you put two pets in a yard, tell them they can do whatever, except eat from two plants…

    … they’re gonna eat from two plants.

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      Original sin was a setup. When a child burns their hand on the stove you told them not to touch, you don’t condemn them to hell for it. Also, why did you leave the stove on and leave the kid unattended? Also, why would you punish their descendants for the sins of their parents? Also, why did you invent hell, the stove, and the temptation? “Free will” is a bullshit answer for an omniscient being who knows what’s going to happen.

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        6 months ago

        The answer is… so that being can RP as some kind of hero. It’s even more transparent morality bullshit than BioWare games.

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      Trying to get a good sourdough starter going has been one of the most infuriating things I’ve done. I’ve managed it once, only for it to die to mold. Dogs at least will bug you for thing they need eventually.

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    The best logical argument I can make for tragedies is the need for perspective. If nothing but good things happened all the time then we’d take them for granted and nothing would ever seem to change or be different, just boring and perfectly fine all the time.

    This seems great now, since we live with so much tragedy in our current lives, but perhaps we’d still question a reality where nothing bad ever happens if it’s all we’ve ever known?

    • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.worldOP
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      Right so some kid has to starve to death that way we regular folks enjoy sunsets?

      We have the geological record. We know that there has been about 500 million years that life capable of feeling pain has been in existence. So 500 million years of life starving, getting eaten, getting cancer, being broken randomly, being deformed, and being infected all happened just for us to be not bored?

      It gets worse, somehow, when you think of humanity alone. There have been about 100 billion humans who all existed before the development of first civilizations. They were just as human as me or you.

      • 33% of adult women died giving birth or immediately afterwards for their first and only child.
      • Approximately 50% of those children died before age 10
      • about 50% as a whole died from being murdered, a rate so high it easily makes us the most bloodthirsty mammal objectively ranked.
      • For a twenty thousand year period 16 out of 17 males didn’t reproduce. Castration might have been invented then but no one knows for sure.

      Now these humans loved their partners and children as much as we do. I want you to think about that. Imagine half of your children dying imagine knowing sex could lead to your wife dying imagine knowing that murder was the single leading cause of death.

      For anyone who claims this argument I ask them to imagine having to explain to a 100 billion people one by one that what happened to them was needed so our 21st asses don’t get jaded about a world too nice.