• WamGams@lemmy.ca
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    What group currently calling Jihad against Israel has not openly recieved funding from the Iranian state, going back to 1992?

    The answer is none. Every group calling for Jihad and Jewish genocide in the region has received monetary support from Iran.

    Why is that?

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      Because Israel and Iran are enemies and have been in a state of semi-war for ages? And because Israel is an Apartheid state whose raison d’etre is ethnic cleansing?

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        So Iran can fund jihad against Judaism itself, and it’s Israel’s fault?

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          Literally yes. The state of anti-Semitism in the middle east is a direct cause result of Israeli Apartheid.

          Edit.

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              Uh yes? Iran is oppressive as fuck, but yeah they’re not an Apartheid state, and hell even if they were. At least Iranian women get citizenship and the right to a fair-ish trial.

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                Bro gtfo, kurds have suffered under Iranian regime for more than a century, israel palestine conflict doesn’t even come close.

                Yeah you get the fair trail as long as your aren’t kurd.

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                  israel palestine conflict doesn’t even come close

                  Man we have a genocide going on in Gaza.

                  Admittedly I don’t know much about the state of Kurds in Iran, but again we have a literal genocide in Gaza. What little I have read doesn’t mention anything that intense in Iran.

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                    I’m not denying the ongoing genocide, but acting like Iran is some kind of good faith actor in the region is total bullshit.

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            You think hatred of Jews among Muslims started after the creation of Israel?

            That is ahistorical nonsense, and you know it.

            Do you wish to try again?

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              You think hatred of Jews among Muslims started after the creation of Israel?

              Not after the creation of Israel, after Zionists started trying to take Palestine in 1917.

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                Conveniently ignoring about a thousand years of history there, little buddy.

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                Conveniently ignoring about a thousand years of history there, little buddy.

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                    There were 300,000 Jews there when tbs Mamluks took power and 5,000 when the Ottomans took power.

                    What happened? Did the Jews disappear?

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          Talking about the “initial fault” in this conflict is moot. We’re at a point, where both sides can reasonably point to some events in the past and blame the other side for the conflict.

          Fact is, Iran is a theocratic dictatorship and its allies are religious fanatic militias, while Israel is a liberal democracy, supported by pretty much all of The West™. Of course the expectations towards Israel regarding human rights and international law are slightly higher. And let’s be honest, what Israel is doing right now is certainly not helping calming the situation, or even making long term peace.

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            while Israel is a liberal democracy, supported by pretty much all of The West™.

            Man Israel has more than 5 million people under an occupation that denies them any and all human rights. They’re not a liberal democracy in any stretch of the word.

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              Israel is an authoritarian state, they throw people in jail for disagreeing with the government, or just being Palestinian / Muslim.

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            I don’t know if I fully buy that argument.

            If somebody supports Israel, they are supporting a genocide based on perceived land needs of the Israeli people.

            If somebody supports Palestine, they are supporting a genocide based on the outright extermination of the Jewish people, funded by Iran and Qatar.

            I don’t think we can get anywhere unless all of us as leftists acknowledge that the Jews of Israel will be in the same position the people of Palestine are in right now if we don’t thread the needle of support and guess what? We are not fucking threading that needle.

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              If somebody supports Palestine, they are supporting a genocide based on the outright extermination of the Jewish people, funded by Iran and Qatar.

              What? No significant player in Palestine is trying to do that.

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                If we pretend the “elected” government of Palestine is in significant than sure.

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                  Uh… Hamas has tried to make peace with Israel before. Multiple times. Including two attempts to hand over Gaza to the PA and start peace negotiations. Israel has refused all of them.

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                    Israel isn’t the one rejecting the cease fire right now.

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                    Hamas killed all the PA in Gaza after the takeover in 2006. when did they ever attempt to give gaza back?