“total victory” sure sounds like they’ve given some thought to their objectives and it’s no accident they’re killing lots of civilians
“final solution” vibes
“total victory” is no Palestinians and all the land.
Fucking religion and real estate all mixed together and killing innocent people…
Almost everything I hate about the world all in one disgusting package.
There are so many justifications for fascism within religions (Maybe most especially, but not exclusively, Abrahamic)
Sounds even better in German!
I wonder how synonymous “total victory” would be with “final solution” if this guy was German in the 1940s
It surely reminds me of the Sportpalast Speech also known as the Total War Speech of Joseph Goebbles.
Do you believe with the Führer and us in the final total victory of the German people? Are you and the German people willing to work, if the Führer orders, 10, 12 and if necessary 14 hours a day and to give everything for victory? Do you want total war? If necessary, do you want a war more total and radical than anything that we can even imagine today?
I wonder if Israel calls their apartheid blocks “ghettos”…
Do I see a little moustache growing on Benny’s lip? Total Victory kinda sounds similar to “Final Solution”
Do you want the total war?
Do you want it, if necessary, more total and radical than anything that we can yet today even conceive?
-Bibi Goebels, basically
Okay “Adolph”
Am I the only one who has been hearing the frustrations coming from democrats and Biden about Netanyahu? Reading these comments you’d think Biden has been best buddy’s with Netanyahu and all is squeaky clean in their relationship, which is very, VERY much not the case. You’d also think that democratic leadership didn’t just call out Netanyahu and suggest Israeli’s vote him out over Gaza.
It’s so weird that Biden is simultaneously Genocide Joe and Pro Hamas Biden.
I know talk is cheap and we are still sending military aid to Israel, but it all comes down to Biden facing daily trolley problems and balancing keeping friendly relationships with our one (nuclear capable) middle eastern country, taking the US seriously as a country that can stop a genocide by saying no to this (nuclear capable) middle eastern country, a reelection, and sending a message to the United States allies and adversaries of if we will or will not support who we say we will support.
The answer to stop sending arms to Israel is clear to us, but let’s not pretend it’s that easy. The rules for rulers are not that straightforward.
I don’t give Biden credit for resisting Netanyahu. During the Trump years we heard endlessly about Republicans who privately criticized Trump but publicly defended him slavishly. They get no credit, so why should Biden?
Biden’s policy was to publicly hug Netanyahu and hope that doing so would make him easy to pressure behind closed doors. It failed repeatedly. Biden is unwilling to pressure Netanyahu publicly and is instead taking the heat for him, with nothing in return. It’s pathetic and bringing down his campaign.
The second half of your comment shows you know the answer to the first half. Yes, it is that easy.
Bibi over here testing the limits of Godwin’s Law. Keep it up you fucking genocidal scum!
The US needs to stop funding terrorists.
The US needs to stop funding genocide.
Use the word. It’s important. It’s what it is. This is a modern holocaust happening before our eyes, and we are complicit in it.
I agree that the word is appropriate, but it’s also problematic because it has legal definitions that are almost never met. Someone will inevitably argue with the use of the term, and the conversation will be completely derailed by a vocabulary debate
Ignore them. You can’t patent the term genocide
Comparison to holocaust is a complete exaggeration.
Why?
Because the scale is not comparable. Here, we are fighting in a single city, not across whole Europe, we are not building concentration camps where we are tying together siblings and changing people’s eye colour. Also, the scale is not comparable and the escalation was started by Hamas.
Out of curiosity, what is the actual limit for an acceptable quantity of genocide? Like, I’m trying to understand if there’s a hard number of murdered civilians that Isreal has to reach before we can make comparisons to the holocaust, or if it’s more just a vibes thing?
Israel is killing in Gaza at the speed of a large concentration camp at the peak of the Holocaust.
Compare size and population of Gaza and a concentration camp.
If you have enough square miles you deprive of food it’s not Genocide?
The definition of Genocide becomes the most arbitrary set of rules ever according to pro-israelis.
Well that justifies your actions completely! Carry on then.
I have not said that. If I murder 2 people, my actions won’t be justified but the comparison to holocaust is completely absurd.
So you’re just being pedantic
What’s absurd is holding the holocaust to such a standard that we cannot compare it to anything or learn anything from history.
It’s disrespectful to holocaust survivors, this shit I see posted here, especially to the ones saying never again now.
Don’t use the holocaust to make this genocide okay. That’s antisemitic.
Ah yes, I guess this means a “small holocaust” is perfectly fine…
I thought the survivors said NEVER AGAIN. The scale is irrelevant. Israel created one of the biggest manmade famine in histroy at an unprecedented speed. Why destroy all roads and hospitals and stop aid? I’ll let you answer that one.
If the scale is irrelevant, then it’s completely irrelevant that Israel killed roughly 30k people because that’s just the scale.
Famine is, unfortunately, not so rare during wars, hence why especially poor regions that have troubles even without a war should not be aggressive.
I think that’s BS. Famine at this scale and speed is not common.
Great, then we should stop funding their government and military spending. If they won’t stop, we can. Of course we won’t, but we could and should.
Yeah seriously what the fuck is going on. Where’s the line, is there even a line?
I cannot find a single person on earth that can give a valid reason for sending them any money or armament whatsoever. We gain absolutely nothing from supporting them. Nothing at all.
Conservatives cry crocodile tears about “wasting money”. Every penny ever sent to Israel has been wasted. It’s not an investment. There is no return. There is no political or financial gain of any kind for us.
US gains an ally in a very important region of the world. They have huge strategic value. Saying there is nothing is misguided.
We have an ally next door, Jordan.
We’d probably have more allies if we dropped support.
What we are doing is equivalent to us deciding to support North Korea and being shocked that all of a sudden we lose regional support from just about everyone.
Israel, especially with an ongoing genocide, is toxic to stability and alliances. It isolates more than it gives strategic advantage.
Everyone keeps ignoring Jordan but it literally has the best cultural and economic relations with the US. Were they not even together in the anti ISIS coalition?
But nope, Israeli lobbying is stronger than all of our voices combined.
Looks like allying with Israel has only been detrimental to the US. It’s been great for Zionists who need the US’ protection, though.
Osama bin Laden cited US’ support for Israel as one of the reasons for the 9/11 attacks.
Think about the billions, or perhaps trillions, of dollars the US has lost out on because of its support of Israel.
We need to drop them like a bad habit.
Okay, what’s your point? I’m stating a fact. They have high strategic value. I don’t need to be convinced that it’s expensive or risky
Re-read my comment until it makes sense.
I was very clear about my point from the very beginning.
Drop that reddit shit and just explain when someone asks.
Lol, what?
Maybe fuck off and mind your own business hey?
And what, pray tell, is “total victory”?
You know… Total as in “Final” and victory as in “Solution”. It’s more polite than saying genocide.
It’s when you win the total war.
Edit /s, as in reference to this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportpalast_speech
Gaza’s army, navy and air force have all been defeated. I guess the rest is winning over the locals’ hearts and minds now, right?
I don’t think my sarcasm shone through to you. The term was used by Goebbels in a 1943 speech inspiring the German people for war until extermination.
Large parts of the Israeli public want a deal, fearing that hostages are held in poor conditions and time is running out to bring them home alive.
Are they even thinking at their own people themselves? It seems to me they want the total destruction of gaza, including the hostages cought in these massive operations.
Disgusting savage
I was against this from the beginning after the first day of asswopping. That’s when the aggression should have stopped. Now I’m growing totally against this shit. I mean the civilians who have not much input are literally dying from hunger. What else do the Israeli government want? Can they do that without spending more American resources? I don’t want to end up having to watch NOVA 20 years from now explaining how the US became involved in the yet another worse human castretosfe of the century. I’ll be older and would probably fall asleep.
Maybe we just stop helping the Israeli government now?
Sounds like Bibi is trying to implement some sort of “final solution” with regards to the Palestinians.
It is truly flabbergasting to watch the Israeli government categorically ignore the incredibly obvious and terrible irony here.
It just proves to me that people are people.
How can we get to the root of our problems if we continue to group people from different regions as separate and distinct?
We’re all the same species. We’re humans dehumanizing humans to make killing humans easier under the leadership of a tiny fraction of our species fighting to go down in history. Same as it ever was.
Even when we do our absolute best to be good to each other, we still break ourselves into groups. “You can’t wear braids, that’s cultural appropriation!” The person who says that means well, but ultimately we have to stop treating each other as, well, other.
The only thing that makes us any different is actually something that we should strive to see as similarity. That is which individuals from which time influenced what area and how that don’t really matter and was just luck (or bad luck) of the draw.
So what if 3,000 years ago some dude thought it was cool to paint stripes on his face and wear a big hat which lead to millions painting stripes on their faces while wearing big hats over there in a distant land.
It’s the same damn thing as some dude over here thinking that a white wig and a big frilly shirt was rad and millions following in his footsteps.
It really is simple. Our cultures are built from people who came and went before us and folks following them and spreading the rad (or ugly) shit they did.
Our culture has to reach a point where it is considered a collective and shared human culture.
Who fucked who, where, and how much influence they left on their descendants and how much we give a shit about the where isn’t helping us. If an alien abducted 10 humans from different regions they wouldn’t even give a thought to how our history separates us. They’d just have 10 of a species from the planet earth.
I hope we get it together one day. It breaks my heart that those people are suffering so terribly right now. The malnourished kids in those photos remind me of the ones from the holocaust.
It would be nice if the people in power could relate their suffering to that of their grandparents. It really would.
Sorry I’m all over the place.
I disagree. You’re pretty on target with that.
The diversity we have as a species is -and always has been- our greatest strength. It means a subset of us can usually do at least “ok” under any given situation.
The same thing is what made some poxy little island able to rule a vast swathe of the planet. The UK took the best of everything it encountered, and added it to it’s own, like the Borg. Of course, like everywhere else that’s run by plutocrats, in an effort to keep us all divided anything “foreign” is currently bad, and to be shunned.
The UK took the best of everything it encountered, and added it to it’s own, like the Borg.
The Empire was built from the Agricultural and Industrial Revolution, and the +15 year head start the British got over the rest of the world. The coupling of massive domestic economic growth with an international system of spoils and conquest lead to the Age of Sail and the gilded era for Britain, not an adherence to objective, rational facts and ideas.
The advantage of developing earlier lead to much of the leading research, science and practices coming from Britain, but they certainly had enough hubris to ignore better ideas that weren’t their own
Ironically Israel was never really against holocaust, they just want to make sure that it’s Arabs instead of Jews.
Sounds like he never lost his way and genocide was always the goal.
The needs of the many outweigh the Netanyahu.
The needs of Israel outweigh the Netanyahu.
Him trying to doggedly ‘crush’ Hamas (an impossible goal politically) whilst refusing to see the larger picture is an outstanding dereliction of duty to the country as a whole
The northern border is increasingly heating up with Hezbollah targeting IDF bases directly and with larger ordnance - in a few months it has progressed from lowly ATGMs and 80s tech, to Grad and Burkan rocket artillery. There’s now more frequent attacks on northern towns and settlements because of their increasing firepower brought in
International condemnation is widespread, your neighbors to the east and south are publicly taking about ‘changes in security treaties’ with Israel and threatening unilateral action, an ICJ judgment that is sustained into war crimes investigations, and top US official and leaders are talking about ‘red lines’ and implicitly threatening continuing US military aid - that’s a big problem.
Even if you accept the ‘4D chess’ angle that Bibi is dealing with
IranHamas completely to remove that threat before taking care ofIranHezbollah, that ignores the global reality that the world, not just the Arab/Islamic world, isn’t going to sit by and let you ignore ~2 million Palestinians, today or tomorrow.Israel is totally capable of winning the battle against Hamas, no doubt. But by doing so they will loose the wider war, isolate themselves politically, and make their own survival harder without friendly nations in a rough neighborhood.
Good point, the scale of this military operation is useless considering the goal. Even if hamas is completely removed, another radical group would probably emerge somewhere nearby.
Netanyahu only sharpened the resolve of the Palestinian public. He banned peaceful protest, he punished Palestinians for boycotts or asking the UN for help. He sidelined moderates and undermined the PA. When you get rid of moderates and nonviolent protest, you can’t be surprised when people turn to violence.
May I ask what non-violent protest are you talking about?
The 2018-2019 nonviolent protests in Gaza that the Israeli military fired on and killed 226.
Are you referring to the March of return when they literally illegally crossed borders of Israel?
Israel creates racist apartheid laws and illegally starved Gazans in a blockade and you’re mad that people nonviolently broke some of those laws in an attempt to demand their human rights?
Human rights violations and unjust imprisonment of an entire population are not something anyone should be expected to just “obey.” Next you’ll be telling me Jews were breaking laws when they tried to escape the Warsaw ghetto.
