Party of small government my fucking ass. Also, isn’t the free market allowed to produce any product and compete for consumer spending? Isn’t that capitalism?
Desantis is literally pushing these laws and screaming woke while pocketing millions of dollars of “donations” from the large cattle ranching companies throughout the state. Hell, he started attacking Disney once they stopped paying him millions in bribes too. Disney’s disagreement with the dont say gay bill was the perfect excuse
No.
Capitalism is when certain industries and certain corporations amass such a market share that they are able to bribe legislatures to prohibit any competitors to their product, under force of law.
Similar to the exertion of influence by noble families under feudalism.
If our democracy has already been captured by such corporate actors, then it is difficult to imagine how “remembering to vote” could meaningfully correct such deep systemic flaw. Emigrating to Norway seems to be one of a handful of plausible remaining options
I love how humans try their hardest to cut down on the amount of destruction they cause only for other humans to villainize and tear them down at every turn.
Small government means making it ILLEGAL to be Vegan or Vegetarian!
Almost like “small government” was just a bullshit excuse to cut social services and avoid regulating against the unchecked greed and exploitation of wealthy executives, not something they genuinely believed.
Yeah, I think of it as a critical thinking short circuit mechanism. It’s a means of justifying any policy to their voters without actually having to list its merits or defend any harm it does. The voter thinks “smaller government = more freedom and more money for me” and their brain stops there.
They want to force out everyone to the left of Matt gaetz so they never have to worry about pesky liberal voters ever again. If they could round up every registered Democrat and drop them off in California or new York, they fucking would.
Stand your ground beef, and the cattle doctrine, are important concepts in the south.
You should try reading the article before commenting. The “fake meat” they are referring to is lab grown from the living cells of animals not vegetable amalgamations made to imitate meat.
Oh so just more anti-science bullshit so they can choke down bribes from the meat industry.
The “fake meat” they are referring to is lab grown from the living cells of animals not vegetable amalgamations made to imitate meat.
Depending on an individual’s reasons for following a vegan or vegetarian diet, lab-grown meat may very well be okay.
If their reasons are nutrition based, sure, they should avoid lab-grown meat.
If their reasons are based in the ethics of raising animals for slaughter, factory farming, or the carbon footprint and/or food and water waste involved in raising an entire animal just for parts of it to be food, then lab-grown meat might be fine in their mind.
From the little I’ve seen of discussions, it depends on the implementation. I haven’t looked at the details yet, but apparently there are some groups who require at least an initial animal biopsy, and I think someone said something about some growth mediums requiring animal exploitation as well.
Then there’s the animal testing side of things.
Since both health and animal rights matter to me, I have no interest in consuming the stuff. If a commercially viable company emerges that can make these meats without any animal exploitation or suffering though, then I might recommend them to others.
From the little I’ve seen of discussions, it depends on the implementation. I haven’t looked at the details yet, but apparently there are some groups who require at least an initial animal biopsy, and I think someone said something about some growth mediums requiring animal exploitation as well.
Then there’s the animal testing side of things.
Since both health and animal rights matter to me, I have no interest in consuming the stuff. If a commercially viable company emerges that can make these meats without any animal exploitation or suffering though, then I might recommend them to others.
I respect this position.
At a certain point I wonder if it will start to seem similar to what I say to anti-choicers (specifically the ones who believe killing an embryo is murder) about drugs developed using embryonic stem cell channels. If years from now they’re still growing off of an initial biopsy taken years before, then the initial harm done is surely outweighed by the harm reduction that came from it. That is to say, a reduction in factory farming and animal slaughter is worth a biopsy. Or even an initial slaughter.
Just like I would encourage my anti-choice family members to get their vaccines and continue to take ibuprofen (and basically every other drug, because most use stem cell lines in their development), I would encourage vegans and vegetarians at the very least not to oppose lab grown meat. But of course you can eat whatever you want.
(Obviously I am not saying you have to agree with me, this is just where I might fall depending on the realities that are eventually reached with lab-grown meat.)
Yeah, to be honest there really is no consensus about this within vegan communities. I would say from an ethical stand point, the biggest thing would be if a company is continually abusing animals in their processes. And animal testing is a difficult subject too, because virtually every food has been subjected to animal testing.
I do think it’s also worth mentioning that plants really are perfectly fine to center a diet around, in and of themselves. I had a really difficult time transitioning to a plant-based diet because addiction is in my genes. But at the same time I was at a place in my life where my health was declining fast, I felt like shit all the time, and I was having to force myself to eat every day. I hated food. But after I got used to eating 100% plants, all of that completely changed. I felt better than I ever had. My arthritis-like symptoms (and other inflammatory problems) completely vanished. I had all kinds of energy that I never used to. And as I got better at cooking plant based and found good places to eat, I actually fell in love with food again. Plants are fucking great.
Worse. This is government deciding what you can eat. This is actual socialism (not the workers decide means of production kind though). Ron’s done this before with stocks.
So, not actual socialism then.
You might need a dictionary
Man, for a party that talks about freedoms, they sure love taking them away. As long as their followers still have gun rights, fuck everything else.
No, they’re very much not allowed to fuck everything else. They are allowed to fuck one thing in very specific circumstances (age not being one of them)
Aaaahhh the political party of not wanting to interfere in people’s lives.
Unless you eat meat from a source that might change an industry and cause a select few individuals to be slightly less rich
Unless you masturbate and waste gods seed
Unless you love the wrong person
Unless you want to vote for the wrong person
Unless you believe in the wrong or (gasp) no god at all!
Unless you’re the wrong skin color, how dare you!
Unless you have the wrong genitals
Unless you have the wrong wrong genitals
Unless…
You forgot poor
Yeah, I knew I forgot about 50 more of em, but I thought the point was there, sorta…
Anyone else notice the rules are identical to what a slave owner would want (to increase slave reproduction).
Yeah, Friedrich Nietzsche
Alternative meat sounds like a slang term for a dildo.
We’ll, I guess that means lab-grown meat is showing promise! I look forward to seeing it in stores.
So far Florida seems to be a good shooter when it comes to its own foot. Make Diznee illegal, abortion illegal, abortion pill, tofu meat. What’s next? Smoothies?
Let’s make an allegory to porn and prostitution that George Carlin made some years back… Selling is legal, fucking is legal, do why can’t selling fucking also be legal?
Banana is legal, orange is legal, so why can’t a smoothie be legal? The answer is “Florida!”
Not a Florida supporter here, but the article is not about tofu meat:
Over the last several months, Florida legislators have been quietly working to ban — and criminalize — the production and sale of cell-cultivated meat across the state
Even more stupid then. And what exactly is tofu meat?
TSP, possibly. Textured soy protein. It’s a passable substitute for some meats in some situations.
Tofu is made essentially the same way cheese curds are made, but using beans instead of dairy. It produces the iconic brick of compressed bean protein (and sometimes calcium depending on what catalyst is used). It’s existed for something like 2000 years, and Ben Franklin may have played a role in bringing it to the US.
TVP is very different. It involves using solvents like hexane to remove most everything from the bean except the protein, and generally results in small amorphous chunks of material, or even tiny bits that are used as an alternative to ground up muscle tissues.
Personally I like vital wheat gluten, also like tofu. I’ve not had TVP I don’t think.
This is about lab-grown meat.
One thing we probably should ban is headlines because then people would actually have to read the article.
Banning lab grown meat is JUST as stupid
I sad tofu meat because that’s the kind of fake meat I like. There’s also the kind where they make sort of stringy material and glued together and then the version where they get a plant or other scaffolding material and fill it with animal clone cells, that’s the kind you’re talking about here. Cloned cells are fair game to me but not my thing because they are probably bad for you just like a murdered chicken in a sandwich is.
Cloned cells are fair game to me but not my thing because they are probably bad for you just like a murdered chicken in a sandwich is.
Can you expand on what’s bad for you about a chicken in a sandwich? I get it that toubare vegetarian or vegan, I don’t need you to explain the ethical reasons, you seem to imply that from a dietary point of view chicken in a sandwich is not healthy?
https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/chicken
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9495152/
https://www.mdpi.com/2304-8158/13/6/845
My aunt had helicobacter for years. Not a joke.
Apart from that we got lovely H5N1 which has an easy game on poultry farms on animals with weakened immune systems and is bound to break out or mutate if not the whole flock is culled. It’s killed people and some virus could emerge when human and avian flu viruses join forces. It’s ravaging in non-avian wildlife and even a polar-bear currently. All this screams next novel pandemic.
And stuff like this that sure will effect human health in some way. Those behaviours are deliberate. It’s a ruthless industry.
Red meat from cows or other such murdered animals can lead you to have gout problems and other such autoimmune issues.
That said, chicken the lesser evil. I used to eat chicken every day. However I learned how chicken are grown. They are basically bags of fat packed with antibiotics. If you love getting sick and fat, that’s the way to go. Specially the Costco roasted…yeah get some of that extra juicy crispiness.
When they grow the baby chicken, they are sorted in big machines by people. The males are tossed into the grinding part of the machine. The females are gently tossed into cartons for the egg laying and murder meat industry. So most male chicken see life for a few days before being grounded into McDonald’s chicken flavored pink slime stuff. Or probably they are mixed in with corn and fed back into the chicken… mother lays egg, has Chick 🐣🐥 and then is forced to eat it so you can get eggs. But I bet some is fed to other animals. I bet chicken eat other animal meat too.
Lord I don’t know where to start, i thought you had some insights on chicken meat that ib was not aware of but… you just sound confused and most of this is just a mess, let’s address one thing at least
I bet chicken eat other animal meat too.
I know you want to make it sound edgy like omg chickens being fed animals but yeah they are omnivore creatures, they do eat other animals starting by bugs and snails, big part of their natural diet, all the way to to actual meat leftover.
I guess we can call their preys, ‘assassinated bugs’?
Look, Liquid Death sold a lot of water with violent branding. Vegans might just be inventing the future branding of meat.
“Would you like your burger murdered (traditional) or undead (lab-grown)?”
Not sure is sarcastic or not but an interesting point. I eat meat and see some future in alternative meats, if produced, marketed and labelled clearly could benefit everyone.
That said I can’t stop but thinking that vegans should stop this nonsense of using murdered and other similar bullshit when talking, it removes any credibility they might have. Just saw in another post someone referring to milk as something like baby cow formula, and I facepalmed.
Not the person you’re asking, but I’m guessing it’s about the belief that eating red meat especially is unhealthy and some people then apply that to all meats.
I believe this stems from the studies that show meat eaters (e.g. average person) is generally unhealthier that someone following a strict vegetarian/vegan diet. This ofcourse doesn’t take into account the fact that the average person eats lots of other stuff too that the health consciouss person doesn’t and there’s usually vast differences in general lifestyle too such as amount of exercise, sleep, smoking etc.
If you ask me what’s bad about a chicken sandwich I’d say the sandwich itself.
I’m so fucking sick of the Florida government. House insurance is astronomical, but they’re worried about lab-grown meat, teachers saying gay, and books.
Florida is taking away the freedom of any person to eat whatever they want? Is anyone surprised?
I wanna get one of those cigarette boats and smuggle abortion pills and alternative meat into Florida and trans people out.
It’ll be black with a red racing stripe and a spoiler like the A Team van and I’ll name it the Baracus.
Can I join you? I will bring one two and we can start the freedom floatilla.
The fun part is the coast guard won’t care.
Alabama also passed a bill to ban the sale and manufacturing of it, making it a Class C felony.
What in the fuck is going on in these guys heads. I get being beholden to the cattle industry but this shit is beyond that
I don’t care what Rick Desantis says. It’s my right as an American to enjoy Soylent Green.
Politics is bout ideology, value and belief. But here, it’s about making decisions by dogmatism and cult. This is a whole different level.
It’s good to see Florida really taking the lead on tackling the issues that matter.
Someone who doesn’t get sarcasm downvoted you.
The joke is on you; I was being serious!
Honestly though, I wouldn’t be certain it was sarcasm either given the many unfortunate belief systems I’ve encountered on the Internet.
I know Poe’s Law, but it does seem pretty bad that Poe’s Law could apply here. xD
