• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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    5 months ago

    US visas & other things

    I agree, and I’m absolutely in favor of dramatically relaxing our immigration policy. If I could snap my fingers, I’d double immigration quotas and guarantee visa renewal for anyone here legally who has not been convicted of a crime. I work with some wonderful immigrants, and I think we need more.

    That said, my freedom of association isn’t being limited with poor immigration policy, I can still collaborate with them online, share software with them, etc. The only limitation is physical proximity. That’s an issue, but I don’t see it as an abridgement of my freedom of association in at all the same way as banning software.

    yet the user count is growing

    Then the people have spoken. They prefer whatever that app provides over national security.

    The government should step up the awareness campaign and find legitimate issues to substantiate the guidance to avoid it.

    But I do not consent to the government banning any form of media.

    Software falls in the latter category, because, like I said, it’s not just a matter of personal choice

    What’s special about software? The defense here is proper security practices at all levels. The main risks are:

    • botnets - ISPs should shut that down
    • worms - proper security
    • identity theft - insurance and criminal prosecution

    Honestly, if governments pressured computer vendors to properly sandbox applications, we’d have far fewer problems. That’s where the awareness campaign would do wonders, naming and shaming when vendors cut corners on security.

    I really doubt that banning Karspersky would have the effect of more people using Kaspersky.

    Maybe not, I don’t think people have a real sense of loyalty to their antivirus.

    But I think it could totally be a thing for TikTok.

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      5 months ago

      Then the people have spoken. They prefer whatever that app provides over national security.

      You should read about the tyranny of majority.

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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        5 months ago

        I’m quite familiar with it.

        But think of it this way. The majority is often poorly informed and will likely agree to some group making decisions on their behalf. That group is not necessarily subject to the will of the people and instead operates in its own bureaucracy where “security” is preferred over other priorities the people may have. Look at the TSA, they have been blinded by a pursuit of the appearance of security that they have gone well past the effective controls necessary to provide reasonable security to likely threats (e.g. bullet proof cockpit doors), and have failed to actually prevent things their tools are designed to detect.

        The majority want safety, and a government agency wants to maintain relevance. Solving the problem by granting the government more power will devolve into the agency looking for more reasons to stay relevant and keep its funding. There’s plenty of examples of that, so it’s not an unfounded slippery slope argument.

        So instead of the majority blindly handing over their responsibilities to a third party, we should instead teach the majority to avoid the worst of it. And then we can use the agencies we already have to gather information about potential threats and shut them down through other means (e.g. instead of banning potentially harmful apps, they could sue the app makers for actual damages).