• ringwraithfish@startrek.website
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    6 months ago

    Lie is a tough word to use in law and journalism. To accuse someone of lying you have to prove intent to tell the lie vs being truly mistaken.

    For example, if I say the Earth is flat am I lying or mistaken? If I truly believe that, then it’s not a lie, even though facts clearly say otherwise. I’m just not aware or choose to disagree with those facts.

    It’s maddening. I’m with you and wish journalists would use harsher language in obvious cases, but I understand why they tend not to as a standard to ensure they’re not opening themselves up to claims of liable and defamation.

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      6 months ago

      I’m sorry but no, they are not open up to liable or defamation lawsuits by calling a public figure running for office a liar. For pete sake, Tucker regularly called pretty much every popular democrat a liar over the course of his show. Pretty much every right wing mud slinger does.

      Here’s an example of CNN saying trump lied

      https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/16/politics/fact-check-dale-top-15-donald-trump-lies/index.html

      NY Times V Sullivan and the fact that this is political speech grants a WIDE amount of latitude for the accusations you can place against politicians.

      • KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        I’m not saying you’re wrong, but we may need another example since Fox successfully got a case dismissed under the specific premise that “no ‘reasonable viewer’ takes the primetime host Tucker Carlson seriously”