Person 1 takes some nudes and sends them to committed long term partner, long term partner’s cyber security is lax and Person C gets access to P1’s nudes and uploads them.
Person 2 has never taken nude photos, but unknown to them used a fitting room that Person D had hidden a spy camera in. Person D uploads these photos to the Internet.
OK so because it’s selfies, so person 1 is responsible for her images leaking in a way person 2 is not?
Or do you feel that selfies are a level above and beyond just nude photos by virtue of having been self taken? If so, what sets nude selfies apart from sexy photos taken by a long term partner if anything?
I think the responsible one is the one leaking them. But the only real way to prevent them leaking is not to take them.
Or do you feel that selfies are a level above and beyond just nude photos by virtue of having been self taken? If so, what sets nude selfies apart from sexy photos taken by a long term partner if anything?
I guess the difference is what you can do to lower the risk. You can decide not to take nude selfies or allow someone else to (with consent) photo yourself naked. Someone taking photos of you without you knowing, much less you can do about it.
With specifically nude selfies (not just any nude photo) you can stop them from leaking by not taking them. A nude photo, I guess the only way would be to go nevernude with clothes you can’t see through in any way or something. One is a bit more feasible.
But I also don’t think it’s a big delta in risk chance in a lot of cases, meanwhile in some parts of the world (looking at you East Asia) spy cameras are a huge problem.
There are, I imagine millions of nude photos taken that never leak.
I think a reason many feminists feel strongly on the issue is that it really throws society’s whore-virgin paradigm into relief, where women with sexuality are pushed to take the blame for their actions without much (any) consideration for them as people. Which is the reason “just don’t take them” gets the hostile reaction it does, and is a ridiculed response.
It feels like a kneejerk reaction to just a truthful statement. You can’t control what others do with your photos if you send them and with how device and account security is, you are taking a known risk by taking them. I’m sure some assign blame in the same breath but I don’t think in itself it assigns any blame.
It may be, but even knowing all that it is hardly helpful advice, and at least out of context and not knowing the people talking doesn’t seem to contain empathy or sympathy.
And is devoid of criticism of the actual leaker of the photos.
I’m not sure I’d count it as pedantry when everything was specifically talking about taking nude selfies and the other person started talking about something different.
I was interested in seeing if they felt differently about photos taken ones self in a ratively secure and trusted setting and then the photo was taken without permission versus an actual taken without permission.
Person 1 takes some nudes and sends them to committed long term partner, long term partner’s cyber security is lax and Person C gets access to P1’s nudes and uploads them.
Person 2 has never taken nude photos, but unknown to them used a fitting room that Person D had hidden a spy camera in. Person D uploads these photos to the Internet.
How different do you think these two cases are?
Very?
OK, explain.
And if we’re talking about personal responsibility, to what extent you think it differs.
Specifically taking nudes (and sending them) seems a different sort of risk to just having been in front of a camera that was hacked.
I don’t think i Person 2’s case they would be considered “selfies”
OK so because it’s selfies, so person 1 is responsible for her images leaking in a way person 2 is not?
Or do you feel that selfies are a level above and beyond just nude photos by virtue of having been self taken? If so, what sets nude selfies apart from sexy photos taken by a long term partner if anything?
I think the responsible one is the one leaking them. But the only real way to prevent them leaking is not to take them.
I guess the difference is what you can do to lower the risk. You can decide not to take nude selfies or allow someone else to (with consent) photo yourself naked. Someone taking photos of you without you knowing, much less you can do about it.
With specifically nude selfies (not just any nude photo) you can stop them from leaking by not taking them. A nude photo, I guess the only way would be to go nevernude with clothes you can’t see through in any way or something. One is a bit more feasible.
You’re not wrong.
But I also don’t think it’s a big delta in risk chance in a lot of cases, meanwhile in some parts of the world (looking at you East Asia) spy cameras are a huge problem.
There are, I imagine millions of nude photos taken that never leak.
I think a reason many feminists feel strongly on the issue is that it really throws society’s whore-virgin paradigm into relief, where women with sexuality are pushed to take the blame for their actions without much (any) consideration for them as people. Which is the reason “just don’t take them” gets the hostile reaction it does, and is a ridiculed response.
It feels like a kneejerk reaction to just a truthful statement. You can’t control what others do with your photos if you send them and with how device and account security is, you are taking a known risk by taking them. I’m sure some assign blame in the same breath but I don’t think in itself it assigns any blame.
It may be, but even knowing all that it is hardly helpful advice, and at least out of context and not knowing the people talking doesn’t seem to contain empathy or sympathy.
And is devoid of criticism of the actual leaker of the photos.
I think it’s just trying to point out the risk so people at least make an informed decision on what to do.
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I’m not sure I’d count it as pedantry when everything was specifically talking about taking nude selfies and the other person started talking about something different.
I was interested in seeing if they felt differently about photos taken ones self in a ratively secure and trusted setting and then the photo was taken without permission versus an actual taken without permission.
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