• jeffw@lemmy.worldOP
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      10 months ago

      It’s tough. He was radicalized, largely by YouTube, from what I’ve read. I don’t believe prison should be punitive, just rehabilitative. If he really can come to terms with his radicalization, I don’t see why he can’t come back to reality and contribute to society.

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        I would want him to be required to attend therapy and psychiatric evaluation for a while at minimum. Tendency to conspiratorial thinking is something people like that battle their whole lives.

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          Oh yeah, I’m definitely not advocating for him to just get let loose on the streets. Just saying he doesn’t need to spend his whole life behind bars

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            10 months ago

            I think this is being blind to the scale of the issue.

            The entire MAGA cult is as radicalized as this guy, some more, some less. But most probably as radicalized. There are maybe 1-3 million die-hards?

            They successfully took the capitol in an attempted coup.

            I’m sorry, but this sentiment of yours is misguided. He isn’t a one off. He’s part of a movement. We need to be considering this issue in a broader context.

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        10 months ago

        Ok, and the 5-10 million other people that are as radicalized/ if not more radicalized?

        DO they get a pass because they ‘live in alternative reality’?

        They would gas people they don’t approve of. This isn’t fucking around.

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    10 months ago

    I just don’t see how deluding yourself into believing an alternate reality is a defense. Not if you are of sound mind; which I don’t think you can argue that the entire MAGA movement ‘isnt of sound mind’, they’re easily 1:20 people in this country.

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      I’m pretty sure the “sound mind” thing doesn’t work like that anyway. The insanity defence, for anyone who doesn’t already know, is not a claim that you’re too coocoo town banana pants to go to prison for crimes you have no credible defense for. The insanity plea is a claim that the defendant straight up doesn’t understand, and may in fact be incapable of learning how to understand, right from wrong. They may confess immediately to a murder for instance, believing that there was no wrong in murdering, due to the severity of their own delusions.

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        10 months ago

        Ok, but like, this final part:

        believing that there was no wrong in murdering, due to the severity of their own delusions.

        Can that not be extended to the actions of the insurrectionists on J6, or Trumps multiple attempts at a coup? If they truly believed the election was actually stolen? I’m not arguing this should be the case, but self believe to me isn’t sufficient. Righteously believing yourself to be correct doesn’t make you correct.

        Also, I don’t know that any kind of ‘sound mind’ or insanity argument really has any meaning when we’re talking about a group of people on the order of, conservatively 1 million Americans, maybe as high as 15-25 million Americans? Some where between a half a percent and 15% of US citizens are basically, bat shit insane, when it comes to their material world view.