Project 2025’s 180-Day Playbook is a remarkably detailed guide to turning the United States into a fascist’s paradise.

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        Please do not take this as a rejection of the necessity to fuck that bastard, but these people most likely have no connection to him. They are your own, homegrown problem that you need to deal with. And given the numbers, in a non-violent way, unless you really are into civil wars.

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            “Fascists gonna fascist” is hardly Russian propaganda. Russia had certainly played a part but it’s foolish to imagine they bear the majority of the responsibility for what’s happening now. Homegrown fascists were putting the pieces in place long before Russia (or the Soviet Union) had an effective propaganda program.

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            “Fascists gonna fascist” is hardly Russian propaganda. Russia had certainly played a part but it’s foolish to imagine they bear the majority of the responsibility for what’s happening now. Homegrown fascists were putting the pieces in place long before Russia (or the Soviet Union) had an effective propaganda program.

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    Perfect time to teach Biden a lesson by not voting for him – or so I’ve been told by those with too much privilege and not enough brainpower.

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      They’re all over the fucking place here. It’s wild. They’re almost for certain foreign cointelpro.

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        They’re almost for certain foreign cointelpro.

        Where do I collect my cheque?

        What we’re telling y’all is that voting one more time for a neoliberal isn’t going to make a meaningful change in stopping the inevitable descent into fascism that neoliberal policies have facilitated for the last 40 or 50 years.

        It’s like the saying goes: the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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          The thing is: the US is not a well-functioning democracy. It currently tries to be to some extent, but it’s system especially at the national level is set up in a way that heavily biases power towards wealthy interests and rural states, both of which tend to favor conservative politics, and which mathematically garuntees only two parties can be viable at a time, with third parties merely providing a negative effect on whatever major party is closer to them. In a well designed democratic system, there’d be a much greater variety of political groups to support such that one that actually reasonably approximates a given person’s views may exist, and voting for those groups would have practical consequence. But, we don’t have that. Voting isn’t completely inconsequential, hence one should still do it, but in our current state it’s not enough to fix things by itself. But again, since it still does something even if not enough, it makes sense to try to get as much utility as possible out of it. At the moment, the only candidates that have any chance whatsoever of winning are a neoliberal and a fascist. Now, you can argue that the popularity of the fascist is a result of the failures of neoliberal policies and so voting for the candidate supporting those policies won’t stop the popularity of the fascist ones, and that could be true- but the fascist is just going to bring about the fascist policies even faster. “The candidate that can fix things” isn’t on the ballot of either major party right now, and the system mathematically garuntees that third parties are counterproductive at this level, so voting for meaningful change isn’t an option here.

          I’m not saying one should give up pushing for meaningful change. I’m saying that at the moment, getting that change is going to require more than just voting, at least at the national level and especially in the presidential election. I do not plan on voting for Biden in the coming general election because I am under some illusion that he’s going to fix things. I plan on voting for him to stall for time. It isn’t exiting, it’s downright depressing, but on balance, it’s still more moral in my view to take that option than the fascistic one, or to do nothing at all.

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            Exactly… It’s almost like there’s no interest to change any of that from those who benefit and continuing to vote for them or support them will continue to perpetuate this inevitable spiral.

            Sometimes the only winning move is not to play. - Joshua (John Wood), War Games, 1983

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          You’re saying in one breath that Trump and Biden are the same and in the next that voting for either one of them equally insane. Both of those things are plainly false.

          Won’t make a difference means zero difference but Trump is literally the accelerationist choice.

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            You need to work on your reading comprehension. I never said they are the same. I said one is the product of the other.

            People have been telling you this would happen for forty or fifty years.

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              isn’t going to make a meaningful change

              My reading comprehension is just fine. You need an argument and it’s not the one that you’re getting.

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                Surely what the Democrats are doing is effective, and Christo fascism is now less of a threat than it was in 2016 and 2020. Right? They should clearly keep doing the same thing, it’s working super well!

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      Or you could say that this issue and all the others mean so little to the Democratic Party that running anybody but Genocide Joe is off the table.

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        Hi, it’s me, a Palestinian American, how about don’t use my people’s plight to justify letting the guy who wants to deport my ass for liking Knaffeh get into office?

        I have enough issues without truck nuts McGee feeling re-emboldened to call me Sand Nigger and Towelhead.

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          I’m not the guy who wants Trump in office. I’m just the one who doesn’t want to vote for somebody who is repeatedly bypassing Congress to send weapons to literal fascists committing war crimes. That’s someone I can’t just hold my nose and vote for. His political career is over.

          Why can’t we have any of the other people who ran in the 2020 Democratic primaries instead of Biden? This idea that it absolutely has to be Biden or else the DNC will let the country fall apart with Trump is so completely messed up.

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            Back in reality, the choices are a) vote for Biden, b) vote for Trump, and c) don’t vote. That’s it, those are your choices.

            Just know that options b and c help Trump. You can bend and twist reality in any shape you want, but that is the actual effect of those choices.

            So ask yourself, do you want Trump as president?

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      What’s more realistic: Shaming everyone in the country until they vote for someone doing genocide, or telling Biden to stop facilitating a genocide?

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          You have completely lost the plot. The election isn’t for 7 months.

          Instead of convincing Biden to stop the genocide, which he can do right now, today, you’re spending your time trying to get people to say they’re gonna vote for Biden even if he continues facilitating genocide.

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            And that’s a major over simplification. Biden isn’t God he can’t snap his fingers and make Israel do what he wants, certainly not without putting the alliance between the US and Israel at risk … and it’s getting to be a dangerous time in the world when having friends is important.

            Just today they announced the US would be air dropping aid to Gaza. It’s not like nothing is being done. I’d like more to be done, but yeah I’m voting for him either way because the alternative is Trump. I’m not going to pretend I’m not voting for him and the many other things he’s done and his policy objectives that I like because of the actions of another country that he’s supporting… Matching decades of US policy precedent.

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              Biden isn’t God he can’t snap his fingers and make Israel do what he wants

              He can stop sending them the tools they’re using to carry out genocide. Ronald Reagan merely threatened to do it once and they came to heel.

              the alliance between the US and Israel

              Israel depends on the US for its existence. They will do what is required for financial, military, and diplomatic aid.

              it’s getting to be a dangerous time in the world when having friends is important.

              How friendly do we look when we’re facilitating a genocide, and bombing Yemen for trying to do something about it?

              Dropping food does not make up for our client state machine gunning people trying to get food.

              If the US really wanted to make friends, they’d oppose the existence of a zionist ethnostate.

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                https://www.legion.org/landingzone/260767/why-america-cares-about-israel’s-security

                What you’re proposing would be a pretty radical shake up in the US approach to the middle east. The equivalent of telling all our current friends to fuck off and the people we’ve been saying fuck off to, hey do you want to be friends and let us place this critical military infrastructure in your country?

                Some might even call it insane, because who is going to go for that?

                Israel depends on the US but the US also depends on Israel. This isn’t a free lunch they’ve been given and they know it. They’ve also got the equivalent of Trump as their prime minister currently and I really don’t think he cares about any of that anymore than you do.

                His country was attacked and his policy is scorched earth. He’s not going to stop if the US stops sending help. His “iron dome” will fall though and then he’s going to just throw everything he’s got at eliminating Palestine.

                The only thing more dangerous than an angry nation is an angry nation with nothing to lose and a vendetta.

                I don’t like any of this. However, for fuck sake Joe Biden is not out there in a cheerleading outfit yelling “go Israel, murder innocent civilians.” Things are rarely so simple as “just (don’t) do X.” Hell, that’s half the problem with Trump, he’ll just say shit like “well let’s just nuke the hurricane.” We end up with two problems a nuclear bomb and a hurricane.

                If the Israel prime minister was anyone but Netanyahu things might be different.

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                  The equivalent of telling all our current friends to fuck off and the people we’ve been saying fuck off to

                  It is not. We took the same steps for Apartheid South Africa.

                  The only thing more dangerous than an angry nation is an angry nation with nothing to lose and a vendetta.

                  You know what’s worse than an angry nation? An angry nation with more weapons.

                  Joe Biden is not out there in a cheerleading outfit yelling “go Israel, murder innocent civilians.”

                  He is giving them the bombs they are using to carry out a genocide, there is no meaningful difference.

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    I remember when republicans were about less government. Pepperidge farms remembers….

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      I remember when republicans were about less government.

      They never really were. They’ve always been the party of corporate cronyism, with “less government” only ever applying to institutions from which they couldn’t generate profit.

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        Small government has only ever meant minimal regulation. It means nothing when it comes to civil rights or liberties.

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          I wish it meant minimal regulation.

          But set aside abortion and immigration. I’m seeing some crazy efforts to regulate the solar and wind energy industries. I’m seeing efforts to restrict how municipal governments can operate education and transportation infrastructure. In Austin TX, the state government threatened to take over the municipal police department. In Houston TX, they removed the Independent School District and installed their own flacks. Texas law prohibits state agencies and political subdivisions (“Governmental Entities”) from contracting with businesses that boycott energy companies, discriminate against firearm entities or associations, or boycott Israel, which has an enormous impact on the statewide financial system.

          So, I’m seeing lots of statewide regulation.

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    I keep telling people- the queer genocide that has already begun with Republican restrictions on trans rights and medical care is going to ramp way up and encompass queer people as a whole. Including my daughter.

    And yet I keep being told I’m excusing genocide by voting for Biden in order to stop Trump from killing her.

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    Its 2016 all over again.

    Every effort to drag the Democratic party over to any kind of popular position is getting labeled as a betrayal. Every effort to oppose Republicans at the state and local level is denounced as uncivil. And as soon as the dust settles in November, the national media will fall in love with the winner, and grow increasingly irate at anyone critical of this abysmally unpopular tumor of a Presidency.